i'll direct it to you, jim hoffa. the larger argument that in these tight economic times, the public has the right to expect employees of organized labor to take the same cuts that the private sector has taken. that was one of the arguments made in wisconsin, made in ohio and make in other states. >> it wasn't really true in wisconsin. in wisconsin there was a small deficit, and the unions were will to go sit down and make that up. he said i'm not interested in that. scott walker began by talking about the fact, he said, well, there's a deficit. we have to get rid of collective bargaining. when they called his bluff and said we'll sit down and negotiate with you right now, then he says no i'm not interested in negotiating with you. i want to take out collective bargaining. the real reason is they realized the backbone of the democratic party, the people that oppose them, is organized labor. we're the ones that have the boots on the ground. we have money and organization. they really have to take us out. it's not about